How Crucial Are The First 30 Days of No Contact

Craig (00:00):

Today we're going to be talking about how crucial are the first 30 days of no contact. Okay. A good subject. You know, this is a good subject and I'm glad this came up. I got a quick email because a lot of people have heard of the 30 day, no contact. That's been going on for many years. I don't know how many years. I don't know where it started. But the 30 days of no contact has kind of been something that people have kind of heard culturally. And I think it's talked about movies and stuff like that. And so when people are going through a breakup, that's one of the first things they think about and hear about and they panic about. And I understand because when you're in no contact, every second feels crucial and it feels like an eternity.

Craig (01:36):

So I got a quick email that I wanted to get to. And then we're going to talk about this. Okay. They said, Hey coach Craig and Margaret, I just started watching your channel a little bit more than a month ago. Unfortunately, you are not the first channel I came across, but I'm so happy that I did. I travel a lot for work. So I listened to your podcast in my car every day. Cool. And when I'm at home, I watch you on YouTube. I never say this. I always forget. You can find many of our episodes on iTunes and all the different podcast platforms that are out there. So you can listen in the car. I always forget to say that. Actually I don't even talk about it that often. And we recently had over a million listens on that. Yeah. And, and I rarely even mentioned it. So I was blown away by that. So thank you. Thank you. I'm on volume six of the workbook and I absolutely love them. They helped me so much to learn so much about myself actually. Don't think I've ever been so healthy and it's all thanks to you. So thank you both so much. I know you guys don't talk about the 30 day rule, like those charlatans. I'm just wondering, I haven't heard from my ex in over 30 days now, do you think that hurts my chances? Do you think that hearing from your ex in the first 30 days is crucial for my chances? Okay. So they came across stuff all the talking about 30 days. And so they're wondering about that. Okay. So do you think it hurts your chances if you haven't heard from them in 30 days? I say not at all.

Margaret (03:39):

That's what I say too. Yeah. Not at all. Not at all. It feels like 30 years, right.

Craig (03:45):

It really does. It really does the hardest part. And it's unfortunate because many of you are going to go to your friends and family and they're going to tell you, it's done. It's over, that's it. They moved on when it gets to like 30 days. And that's simply not the case. And in fact, time after time, and at least from what I see, people often need months before they want to repair things again. Yep. Okay. and I think there's a lot that goes on in that time. And even though it feels devastating to you when you've been dumped for the other person, I think it takes much longer than 30 days before they start to really feel the impact of losing you. Right. Okay. Right now that doesn't mean it doesn't happen sometimes. Of course it does. But not hearing your ex within 30 days, don't panic. No, I don't think that hurts your chances at all.

Margaret (04:51):

And then of course there are all those fears that they're going to find somebody else any minute now, any day now and live happily ever after. And that's not likely either.

Craig (04:59):

Well, you know, one of the things that's scary is that a lot of times your ex does start dating right away and we feel like it's going to last forever. Absolutely. I know I've been there and you really think that that new person is going to see all the great qualities that your ex does, but they may see that in the beginning, but I really don't think it leads to get them getting attached. Do you?

Margaret (05:23):

No, I don't. I don't, if it's a rebound. Yeah. They might have fun for a little while and it might be a distraction to your ex for a little while, but it very rarely works out. Yeah. I think that's what we've seen and, there are no perfect descriptions of stages, but we've, we've thought about this in terms of what the, I gathered the girlfriend broke up with him.

Craig (05:46):

Actually. I think this was a woman that wrote this.

Margaret (05:48):

Yeah. So you know, she's going to have all of those fears and we've found it can take months because first there's a sense of relief that you've done this thing that was very hard and you finally got it over with, and then you might feel better for awhile and six, eight months later, "I really miss so-and-so and wonder if I made the right decision."

Craig (06:16):

It's we know it's hard and, and it's such a difficult balance of going between do I move on or do I wait for this person that come back for me and you have to make that judgment for yourself? I like to focus on the personal growth stuff and make that my priority. And that way either way you're gonna win. If they, if they come back, you'll be in a much better position to turn it around. And if they don't, you're going to be much healthier and you're going to have a lot more skills to have in a new relationship. So, no, I would absolutely not worry about hearing from an ex in 30 days,

Margaret (07:00):

But we certainly understand where you got that.

Craig (07:03):

I totally understand. But if you sat next to me on my couch and heard all the, the calls that I do and how things progress day in and day out, I would say it's okay. 30 days is not that big a deal at all. Okay. And I the second question was, do you think it's crucial to hear from your ex and 30 days? Absolutely not. I don't think that hurts your chances at all. In fact, the way I like to see it is that the more time that you have from them, the more you really have the space and the ability to reflect upon what wasn't working and to grow and to change because growth doesn't happen in 30 days. No, unfortunately not.

Margaret (07:52):

No, it doesn't that wouldn't, I mean, not, not much can change in 30 days.

Craig (07:56):

I think the big thing that changes Margaret is the awareness of I made mistakes and it's such an overwhelming fear of I made mistakes and that's why they've left me. That's right. That's why they feel like I've changed.

Margaret (08:12):

Well, not in 30 days. No.

Craig (08:15):

It takes time to work through your attachment issues. It takes time to heal those things that happened in childhood that you're only starting to become aware of, which is why we talk about attachment issues and trauma and mental health,

Margaret (08:32):

All those things.

Craig (08:34):

Yeah. So, you know, I'm glad somebody sent this because I had never really thought about that 30 day and feeling that pressure of it's 30 days or, or it's 30 days, should I reach out now?

Margaret (08:49):

Right. And are there some coaches who say you should

Craig (08:54):

I don't recommend no, in my experience, it's much better to allow that person to come back. And you know, of course every situation is so different. I've had people that I thought and said to them, wait, why are you in no contact? This person is trying to repair this and what's going on here? And then I hear situations where it's like, okay, you definitely need to stay in no contact. Especially if somebody is like saying, is there a legal actions or that, you know, that they're being threatened with legal actions? Like, don't call me, I'm going to call them

Margaret (09:28):

Please. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. Back off.

Craig (09:32):

But I do think that 30 days came from somewhere many, many years ago and it just kind of became an you know, entrenched in the culture. And so that's why we're trying to enlighten you guys and help you guys see that no, 30 days is not a big deal. And if somebody broke up with me today, I would not expect to hear from them within that 30 days. Sometimes they do go, sometimes they will do indirect direct approaches of the breadcrumb. You, or

Margaret (10:07):

Yeah. I have the key to your apartment or,

Craig (10:10):

Or sometimes they have to handle business. Yeah. But if you're in a situation where you're afraid that, Oh my gosh, it's been 30 days I haven't heard from them or 30 days is about to be up. Should I reach out to them now? No, we don't believe in that.

Margaret (10:28):

And it's always hard to explain. I think we both do it all of the time. How does it better your chances to not be in contact then making contract? Okay. You're telling me not to do the thing I want to do the most and that's going to scare me the most cause I can't do it, but we have found definitely no contact is much more likely to get your ex back than contact. Absolutely. Or we wouldn't tell you that. Yeah. But it is counter-intuitive Craig's favorite word, right? It's counter doesn't make logical sense. Yeah.

Craig (11:00):

Yeah. And you're going to have a lot of family and friends that are going to say things to you. They don't understand how breakups navigate because they're so complicated. Right? I mean, a lot of times family and friends are telling you they're done. They're over you. Move on. Just forget about that.

Margaret (11:19):

It was no good for you anyway. And you know, but if you're, if you loved her, it's not that easy. No, I told you my latest, my latest war is against the phrase of you must let go. No, you must work through, so you can't just let go of feelings that are major for you. You have to process them and entertain them and, and deal with them, you know? So you can't just let go and date somebody else next week.

Craig (11:46):

It's not the healthiest thing to do. No.

Margaret (11:48):

And I mean, people mean to be helpful. They don't want to see you glum. They want to see you cheer up. Yeah.

Craig (11:54):

And oftentimes they're angry at your ex for hurting you. Yes, of course. And you know, they most likely had a relationship with your ex. And so they're upset because they're like, I can't believe they would do this. I can't believe they would leave you. And so they're hurt and angry at your ex too. Family may be particularly hurt by it. And you know, you, you gotta think about, who's telling you these things, how healthy are their relationships, right? Are you getting advice from somebody that can't maintain a relationship telling you, just forget about it, move on, move on.

Margaret (12:33):

Well, who's been in a relationship for 30 years and doesn't talk to their partner. That's another possibility, another possibility.

Craig (12:40):

So it's okay. If you don't hear from an ex in 30 days, I would be surprised if they do. I would be thinking more likely they're going to need more time. And I think that's a good thing because it really does take time to get your life turned around and really work through issues that you've been doing or things that were going on in the relationship that you're trying to improve. So keep focusing on yourself, keep focusing on that personal growth. It's going to help you either way. You can't lose by focusing on that. Because like I said, time and time again, either you're going to have another chance with that person and you're going to show them you've changed or you're going to do amazing in new relationships.

Margaret (13:41):

Right. And how what's better than that? Right. And what we say right off the bat is working on your attachment stuff. Absolutely.

My Ex Couldn't Take No Contact Any Longer

Craig (00:00):

Today we're going to be talking about my ex couldn't take no contact any longer. Isn't that wonderful? Oh, it sure is. You know, you guys are thinking the same thing, right? I can't take no contact any longer, right? When you're going no contact and you're leaving your ex alone. It's one of the hardest things that you have to do. And I had a nice discussion with somebody about that recently, who has a success story, and she's going to be writing me an email about what it was like for her to do no contact. But when you're not reaching out to your ex anymore, it's awful because now you feel just terrified that they're never going to reach out again.

Margaret (01:24):

And that they'll forget about you. Yes.

Craig (01:26):

Right? Which they do not. No, they don't, but we know why you feel like that. We understand why you feel like that. I felt like that, that you just think that the person's going to move on and it's so difficult to refrain from wanting to reach out, wanting to repair things, contacting them through any way possible. Even through friends and family, it's awful.

Margaret (01:53):

Both of which have to be not done. Don't do that. It'll get you in trouble.

Craig (01:59):

But we understand that when you're in no contact, it feels like an eternity. Every single day feels like an eternity. Every second of the day, you want to check your phone. I've been there. That's why I understand it so well. Cause I have been in that situation and I hated it. It's just the worst. And you watch your phone all day. That's all you do. Every time you look at it, you're just like, Ugh. Or every time it goes off, you're hoping that it's them. Right. That's so hard. But believe it or not, your ex isn't always certain about their decision. Even at the time that they make it. Now, a lot of the times they are certain in that moment in time, but that can change, right? Yes. Feelings can change. And you got to understand that it's hard to know sometimes what your ex is going through thinking or feeling for their situation with you. Cause it can vary based upon what happened in your relationship obviously. But you know, it would be easier for them if you were continuing to reach out when you go no contact and you no longer reach out to them, it makes it harder for them.

Margaret (03:19):

Yes it does. Yeah.

Craig (03:21):

Because they would like to know that you still want to be with them because then that option is there for them. And they don't feel so anxious about their decision. But when you choose to stop reaching out, that puts the pressure on them where they're wondering if you're going to reach out. But then they think, well, are they moving on?,

Margaret (03:45):

And they wonder if you're moving on. So you're kind of giving them back a dose of their own medicine.

Craig (03:50):

Exactly. But oftentimes no contact or when you're not reaching out to them is very difficult for them too. And sometimes they'll put posts up that you know, are about you, but you don't reach out. Sometimes they'll put posts that are implying about you. Right. And they're hoping that you're going to reach out to them because in that moment, maybe they're feeling some vulnerability or some confusion, but you know, you want them to reach out to make the first move.

Margaret (04:26):

Right. Right. The breakup, wasn't your idea of the ball's in their court.

Craig (04:29):

Exactly. So I've got a good email success story today and we haven't done a success story in awhile. No, but they remembered that we like to get success stories and share them with you guys,

Margaret (04:41):

Please, everyone. Remember we love to hear success stories. Absolutely.

Craig (04:45):

So when you have your success story, regardless of what it is with your ex, make sure you email me on the website. Okay. And you know, this is a really good one that I thought people would like to hear. So they said, well, coach Craig, I've been wanting to type this awhile now. Life's been busy. Then I remembered how you said you like to receive the success stories as well. On some of your videos. I spent almost five months going day in and day out in a scary haze after a breakup of over seven years, I was utterly lost in it. In every way I came across your videos. And most, every piece of advice I received from your chat or from your wisdom and knowledge on your channel, helped me get my ex back using no contact. Wow. By far the hardest thing I've ever had to do, considering the woman I lost, I always felt she was my soulmate. Somehow I still do after all this. Not one single text call email, nothing never once. Luckily I found you soon enough. I was determined. But after five months of no contact, she had found it to be almost impossible not to come to me wondering why things went no contact and realized what she had lost when we separated. That is big.

Margaret (06:31):

So she was expecting continued contact. Isn't that interesting?

Craig (06:35):

This is what we try and get you guys to see here. Right? She found it almost impossible not to go to him. And she was wondering why things had gone no contact. In other words, why he stopped reaching out,

Margaret (06:49):

You broke up with me

Craig (06:51):

And realized what she had lost and that's what we want your ex to go through. And that's why we stress the importance of working on yourself in that time. Right. That is the most critical thing because you don't know when they're going to reach out, they could reach out after a month, they could reach out after five months in this case, it could be a year later. Now we don't want you to put your life on hold, but we want you to grow in that time. So when they do reach out, you blow them away. Yeah. And I had a guy this week who was so depressed, just absolutely depressed. I think it was our third call together. And I got on him. I'm like, you've got to stay motivated because you don't know what's going to happen. After the first call, he, I think he's got a little bit more motivated than he kind of dropped. And then our most recent call. He's like, no, after our last call I've been working harder. Okay. So I quizzed him on some certain areas that I had told them to work on and he did better. And I'm like, keep going. You got to get yourself in the right position.

Margaret (08:00):

Because if she comes back and you're just the same, you were as you were when she left. Yeah.

Craig (08:04):

Yeah. But he's working really hard. Good for him. So I'm really proud of him. All right. Let me go on, to put then feelings into words is unexplainable. You're exceptional at what you do. And I can't express enough on how learning my attachment and reworking myself from inside out has changed my view on myself in a relationship. I couldn't afford coaching, but after much hard work done to myself after listening to so many videos and building myself up to that next level. And fortunately my ex had surprisingly done work on herself.

Margaret (08:52):

Wow. How wonderful.

Craig (08:54):

That is great. Through therapy, we were able to come to our senses and move forward with progress in learning and accepting each other for everything we are and are not. Sometimes I think back on the nights of laying there all night, trying to make sense of your videos and how it would work for me. Then it did, bam, late night call. She couldn't take it any longer

Margaret (09:28):

Great. He outlasted her

Craig (09:31):

And we worked it out from there. I am grateful to have found you. Thank you, coach Craig. You really have helped me change my life and relationship for the all around better. If it wasn't for these videos, I don't know how I would've made it through some of those long nights. That's the truth. You're the best at what you do. Stay positive. Add another success story to your list, coach. Thank you so much for sharing that. It's so encouraging to see you guys having success stories, hearing your guys' success stories and being able to share them.

Margaret (10:11):

So he did it himself just by watching the video. Wow. Yeah. That's great. Good for you.

Craig (10:17):

And there's well over 800 videos at this point and plenty more in the works.

Margaret (10:24):

I've heard that recently that somebody had counted them. Yeah.

Craig (10:28):

Well I know we've had certain people that we've worked with that have literally shown me that they've done all the videos. They literally showed me. Cause if you pull up your YouTube it shows the red bar on the bottom when you watched the video. Actually, I will let you know that my next project I have two people in mind that have worked with me quite a bit over the years. This one is one of them. Cause I know she's done the work. She is going to be previewing the project first to get an approval, to give me an approval and the new coach and approval and you to see it, to give us feedback,

Margaret (11:10):

That'd be wonderful. It is what I've seen of. It is absolutely wonderful. We will put the finishing touches on it.

Craig (11:16):

Yup. And by the time you guys see this video, it will probably be fairly close to being done. It's so exciting. But I have several people that are some of my best students that are going to look at it and preview it first because I want to make sure that you guys absolutely love what we have here. And I I'm fairly convinced that you will. But I just want to hear it from people that I know who have done absolutely tremendous amounts of work. So this is a great success story. And even though your situation feels hopeless, it doesn't mean that is one of the things that's the hardest to understand about being in no contact is that there can and will be a day for many of you where your ex does reach out again, despite going months of feeling hopeless and thinking they're never going to reach out, they often do. I mean, this example was five moths.

Margaret (12:16):

And this guy's partner was very honest with us, for which we thank her on saying she didn't really expect the no contact. She broke up, but she didn't expect the no contact. Yeah,

Craig (12:26):

Yeah, yeah. And you know, you guys have just got to stay working on yourself in this time. We know it's not easy when you're anxious and you're depressed. But the worst thing that can happen is that one day they pick up the phone, they want to see you, you get in front of them and you haven't changed and they see right through it

Margaret (12:47):

They'll see right through it. Right. Exactly. Particularly if they've changed.

Craig (12:54):

So you know, stay motivated. You never know what's going to happen either way. You're going to be a success story either. They're going to reach out and you'll have another chance with it or you're going to go on to meet and date amazing people with all this stuff that, you know, and you'll blow them away. Right, right. Right. Well, we'll see, you know, each person is meant to have their own destiny or future and whatever yours may be, you know, just make sure that it's great. Right, right. By doing the work.

Margaret (13:23):

And there's almost nothing that can't be changed if you're willing to work at it.

Craig (13:29):

Absolutely. And you can so great success story. Thank you for sharing it. And when you get yours, be sure to email me.

No Contact Works on Everyone

Today we're going to be talking about no contact works on everyone. So this is a big topic, Margaret. Yes, it is. You know, obviously no contact is something that many people will discuss in breakups. We understand there are a lot of people that talk about breakups out there, not even just online, but you know, maybe people that run local coaching services and such like that. So no contact. We're going to talk about our version of No Contact and kind of review it and get into this because it's really essential to understanding what it means, why you're supposed to do. And does it work on everyone? Well, the answer isn't as simple as yes or no, but I think you'll find it interesting what we have to say about that. Right. I got a quick email before we start.

Craig (01:41):

I want to get to from a fan that just said, hi Craig, I've been watching all the breakup expert out there for a few weeks and have to say you and Margaret are by far the best. Well, thank you very much, whoever you are. I am in therapy to help me cope with my breakup and it helps, but you both are even much better than they are. How do I explain this Margaret? Well, I think the only thing we can say is that at this point in our lives, we focus pretty exclusively on this particular phenomenon. Exactly. And your general therapist may have to deal with six different problems during the day. That's true. And you know, it's like anything, any career in life, not everybody is equal. No, you're not going to have doctors that are equal or dentists or lawyers, Margaret and I are very passionate about what we do and helping you guys and always continuing to learn and educate ourselves to get better at this.

Craig (02:38):

So we focus on breakups right now. And so we know the ins and outs of it, and we see what happens on a daily basis. Whereas the therapist might only come into a breakup situation once every couple of months and they don't know how to navigate, but I was happy to hear that you said it was helping. Absolutely. Don't don't quit. Yes, exactly. They say you truly have helped me change my life in such a short amount of time. I bought myself the knowledge workbooks and it's my new year's resolution to get all 10 done. Wow. That's a big job. It is. It's about 500 pages, I think. And there's 94 videos covered in all 10. So that's a lot of work. Right? I have a topic that I was hoping you both could do a video on. I've seen some other videos that no contact works on everyone. Could you do your take on that topic? So we took that email. We decided to do a video for you. Okay. So first of all, let's talk about our version of no contact. Okay? We don't ever tell you guys to ignore an ex and they're harassing you. Okay. But in most situations, we're simply saying, stop reaching out to them. If they want to contact you, let them do it on their terms. Right.

Margaret (04:03):

As long as it's on their terms, it works. Don't chase it.

Craig (04:07):

We're not telling you to ignore them. We're not telling you to ignore them within a 30 day period or in what you've heard recently, a 45 day period. And if they reach out in that time that you have to ignore them, I do not agree with that at all. I think it's foolish. And I think it's naive to ignore somebody when they're making a bid to try and repair things with you.

New Speaker (04:32):

And bid, if you will is Susan Johnson's word, our friend, Susan Johnson from Canada to make a bid is to reach out, to connect emotionally, to have some kind of an interaction.

Craig (04:45):

And what you have to understand is that even though your ex feels like they have the power in this situation, or at least they did at the time of the breakup, if time has passed, they don't know what you're thinking, what you're feeling, what you're doing. And then they actually become insecure and wonder if they should reach out that's right. And that's why I have come up with the term, the indirect direct approach, where they want to directly reach out to you by making some kind of contact with you. But they don't know how to say I miss you. Or I was hoping we could talk. They say, how's the cat? Or have I got a piece of mail for you? Yeah, I do. You have that car key, my extra car key. I hear all kinds of excuses, but the indirect direct approach, and this is really important that you understand it is a confusing thing.

Craig (05:50):

Okay? It's not, we've got to pay the mortgage this month. Okay. Some people get confused and like my ex me, because I have to split the car payment with them, is that them wanting to repair things? Not likely, no. If they have a business related issue like a bill or a mortgage or health insurance or something, they need to have contact with you. The indirect direct approaches are often head scratchers. Like you're, they're disguised so well. You're like, wait a minute. Is this a, because they really need the key back for the car. I actually had this one spare car key about a month ago with an avoidant and an avoidant woman said, I didn't want to reach out and say, you know, I want to see you. So they acted like it was about the car key, but it wasn't. If she was able to say that she told me that she was actually one of the most insightful avoidants that I've had.

Craig (06:45):

In fact, I had an equally impressive avoidant this past week, which we haven't set to talk about, but I'm hoping they do a coaching with you because I was actually blown away by the amount of work they've done. And I told them that it was just, you can recover. And you know, guys, there are a lot of people out there that are avoidant that are on the channel now cause they were broken up with yeah. And they're changing their life. And if you're one of those people, share a comment. So people realize that avoidants can get motivated to change. And it's also helpful to let us know what worked for you.

Craig (07:22):

To review, we don't want you to reach out to somebody after they've broken up with you. That's our version of no contact, but we don't want you to ignore them. Okay. And we have no timeframes for any of it. Exactly. We don't believe in a 30 day or a 45 day window or something like that. Now why does no contact work on everyone? When I say that it does. Here's what I mean. Okay. It doesn't necessarily mean your ex is going to change your mind and want you back. However, what happens in many, many cases, I would say probably even most is if they have sat with their decision for some time and you're no longer chasing them and reaching out, they actually become the person that is scared that you have moved on. Right. Okay. Right. When that happens, they can't avoid the feelings of anxiety and that hard wired biological component that we have that when we're feeling disconnected from our partner, we feel that terror and we want to reach out quickly.

Craig (08:41):

Yes. So what you might even see is when your ex does reach out, if you don't reply right away, and maybe you wait three or four hours or even the next day or something like that, they might send you another message because then they are anxious. They're no longer in the driver's seat. And now they're like, Oh my God, I'm going to lose them. And I can't tell you how many times I've seen that, but it takes real patience and strength to get to that place. Because the hardest part about it is your ex might not reach out. Right?

Margaret (09:18):

What if, what if so-and-so never reaches out? We can't control that. You can only control what you do.

Craig (09:24):

Okay. But we really believe that allowing that person, the time to miss you and to regret things and then to think, Oh my gosh, they don't want me back. Ironically, it's like a switch. Right? And I see that a lot.

Margaret (09:43):

Right? It's a switch, right? The switch goes on

Craig (09:45):

And now it's like all of a sudden, the shoe is on the other foot and you're going to see your ex get anxious. Now that's not always gonna happen, but it does happen a lot because every situation is so unique. Your ex may only have a window of opportunity open for so long before they say, you know what? It's not going to work. They probably haven't changed. Right. So we don't want you to prolong things away, wait a week to reply or anything like that, because then your window of opportunity might be gone. Right. We just don't know. So this is a more of a general idea. So you can see that to some extent it does work on everyone because that feeling of anxiety can't be turned off. Nope.

Margaret (10:30):

It's, we're wired that way. And some people say, well, I don't know if he's thought of me in the entire month that we've been broken up. You can be sure he has. Okay. Or she has, they don't just say, Oh, well it was nice being with George or Georgina and I'll move on with my life. Now. We're not made that way we attach.

Craig (10:48):

Yes. And even, you know, you have to think about it. If they were upset and angry at you, maybe they were fed up with you because you had been continuing to do something that upset them, that anger subsides in time. Right. You know, not always because sometimes people say they have to move on, but in many cases it does subside. And then what happens? Their feelings change. Right. But if you're chasing them, if they think that they still have you, if you are stalking them and you're trying to do a handwritten letter or grand gesture, they know they still have you. And then they don't worry about you. Like they would, if you were just leave them alone.

Margaret (11:33):

And I've had many people say to me, well, what sense does it make to not have contact with somebody you want to return to you? It does make sense in another way. You want them to sit with their decision. Okay. As you have often said, people can feel like they want more space and make a to break up. And then in six weeks, six months or however long it takes, they begin to get anxious. They begin to realize this is more space from you than they wanted. And they will reach out to you.

Craig (12:05):

Yes. And there are many, many cases where your ex will break up with you to be with somebody else or start dating other people right away. And they think it's going to be amazing. They're posting social media. That it's amazing. I've even seen people get engaged and then it doesn't work out. And they usually return to the ex and revisit them. They take a look and they're wondering, have you changed, have their feelings for you changed? What would it be like to see you? A lot of times they think I'm over this person. I don't want them back. Then you say, Hey, why don't we get together? And you do. And you show them the side of yourself that they hadn't seen in a long time. And then they're like, you know what? I actually had a great time tonight and I hope I get to see them again. And then you take it from there. Right?

Margaret (13:01):

I talked with someone today who was having a hard time, trying to figure out how this makes sense, no contact to get them back sounds kind of crazy on the surface of it. Sure it does. But finally I said to her, every time he talks to you, he gets a fix and it takes care of his anxiety. So he's okay. Again, for a few weeks, don't give him that you want him to miss you and you want him to have to act on it. She finally, it finally became clear with her.

Craig (13:27):

Yeah. And when I tell you guys my suggestions on how handled things and I'm sure Margaret does too. I tell you from the perspective what I would do. Okay. You have to imagine, I deal with breakups all day, every day. And I'm telling you what I have found to be the most effective and what I would personally do if somebody did this to me. So you could imagine, of course, I'm going to try and put myself in the best position to turn things around if that's what I want. So I'm telling you what I would do here, what I found to be the most effective. And that's what I do when I'm navigating your situations. Is I think about how would I handle your situation if I woke up in your body and I'll tell you guys that I woke up in your situation tomorrow, what would I do? And this is what it is. And I would genuinely think about putting myself there, because if you can see how I would navigate it, you're going to say, okay, he knows what he's talking about. He's obviously dealt with this a lot. He's not going to do anything that's going to put himself in a bad position. Right? So by getting into your situation, it helps me navigate.

Margaret (14:34):

Sometimes when people say, I don't think that person has thought of me in the month, we've been broken up. I want to say, Oh honey, you're not that forgettable. And you're not that unlovable. Don't sell yourself short. If this person spent even months, you, they can't forget you in two minutes. Yeah.

Craig (14:54):

And I, I think it's important that we can't tell that to them too much. Right. Because I know what it feels like to go through that where, you know, when I was broken up with the, the Applebee's girl, for example, I didn't think she was thinking about me. And then I think a one call, I even remember saying to her, because at a certain time of the day I would always call her or when I got out of work and I would say to her, don't you think about me at this time every day when normally I should be calling? And she said, no, she said she didn't. And I believed her, but I don't now I don't believe her for one minute. No, no. At the time I thought, Oh my gosh, she really doesn't even think about me, but now I know she just didn't want to let her guard down. Right. She didn't want to tell me that

Margaret (15:39):

She didn't want to tell you herself. Yeah. But if somebody becomes that big a part of your life that they call you at the same time every day, you don't just forget that in minutes, whatever she said. No.

Craig (15:50):

And I really did believe it back then, but I mean, that was probably eight years ago now, a little over eight years ago. And so I didn't understand this stuff, but now I would know, first of all, I wouldn't have asked her because I knew, I know now she would just put her walls up. She's not going to want to tell me that because she's not going to want to lower her guard and then have me persue her.

Margaret (16:13):

And she didn't want to reinvest either

Craig (16:15):

At that time, which I did get an unusual, indirect, direct approach about which Margaret is actually there for me. I think the day that it happened. Yeah. I remember I, you know, it's so traumatizing. I literally remember where I was and what happened when I got that message. I can remember it. Exactly. And that was eight years ago. So, but then we talked about it and you know, now I understand it was an indirect, direct approach. He was revisiting, she was looking at me as she was, and I didn't handle it well, cause that's when I went to Applebee's and I was crying, but I did kind of know to go no contact. Right. And even back then, I did go no contact after my initial attempts with the grand gesture. And do you know, trying to talk to her about things wasn't working. And if I knew now,

Margaret (17:11):

Right. What you didn't know then

Craig (17:13):

Exactly. I would have been much more likely to turn it around and have another chance with it, but I've seen it time and time again. No contact works on just about everybody. It doesn't mean they're going to want you back. But at some point they're probably gonna think, you know what? I don't know if it was the right decision. Of course every situation is so different. So it's tough to say that, you know what I mean?

Margaret (17:42):

It's hard to know if it's the right decision. If you've been intimate with somebody and spent lots of time with them, it's a huge decision.

Craig (17:50):

I mean, if you've only dated somebody for three weeks, yeah. It's not going to be as powerful as if you dated somebody for three years. Right. And the key is, and I really believe this, that you focus on the personal growth and you act as if they are coming back. If you act as if you are going to have one more chance with them and you really put yourself in the position to become a much better version of yourself, when they do revisit, they're going to be blown away by the changes you've made.

Margaret (18:22):

And we see it over and over again.

Craig (18:25):

But even if they don't come back, think about how much you truly would have changed. And at that point you'll likely say, you know what? It's okay. And then you'll start dating other people and you've become so much more successful with understanding yourself. And you may attract healthier people. You will attract healthier people. Absolutely. Yeah. And so look at it from that angle, you stay in no contact. You allow them to reach out to you when they're ready, you focus and you obsess over the personal growth. If you're going to obsess about anything, don't obsess about them, obsess about how great you want this breakup to make you, right? And then when they do come back, you're either going to be in a great position to turn things around with them or you'll do great with other people. And other people will be like, who is this person?

Margaret (19:20):

Get your energy back. We're going to talk about that again. But you want to get your energy back. You need the energy for your own healing and your own growth and not to be obsessing about them. Obsessing takes energy. I've discovered.

Craig (19:32):

Oh, it's exhausting. Yeah. It really is exhausting. And it's just exhausting. Cause you can't feel like you can turn it off at all at work.

Margaret (19:43):

No, no contact. No. And even our chemical system says, no, it's not a good idea. You better go find those lost people, that lost person that's right. But you can't do it. And it's terribly difficult. And I can see people's faces change. When I say to them, I think you'd be better off with no contact. Like no contact. You know, how can that work? I know it sounds crazy. We know it sounds crazy

Craig (20:07):

Simply just not reaching out. Okay. If you're not reaching out and they're choosing you in their life, think about what that tells you. They're choosing you again. Okay. And that's exactly what you want. If they're ending this, then you want them to choose you again. Now of course, every situation is so different and there's a million different factors. So it can be tricky to put out a general video at times, but we know you guys obsess over certain things and we try and educate you the best that we can in a general way, we get specific in certain videos. But this is a video that I know a lot of you are going to wonder about.